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	<title>Comments on: I don&#8217;t like performance art anymore and it&#8217;s all my fault</title>
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		<title>By: dewiniaeth</title>
		<link>http://shagdora.wordpress.com/2007/03/05/i-dont-like-performance-art-anymore-and-its-all-my-fault/#comment-331</link>
		<dc:creator>dewiniaeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 22:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s not a distorted expectation of what&#039;s possible. I have a gut feeling that it&#039;s not... You have this VISION, that&#039;s the beginning... and you notice a gap... I can&#039;t wait to see you fill that gap and create something totally revolutionary. :) Can you give me some links or something so I can learn more about participation in art?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s not a distorted expectation of what&#8217;s possible. I have a gut feeling that it&#8217;s not&#8230; You have this VISION, that&#8217;s the beginning&#8230; and you notice a gap&#8230; I can&#8217;t wait to see you fill that gap and create something totally revolutionary. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Can you give me some links or something so I can learn more about participation in art?</p>
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		<title>By: shagdora</title>
		<link>http://shagdora.wordpress.com/2007/03/05/i-dont-like-performance-art-anymore-and-its-all-my-fault/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>shagdora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 00:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks to both of you for your thoughtful comments. I had considered removing my post because I really do love performance art.   I&#039;m glad I didn&#039;t,  though, because you&#039;ve really given me something to think about.  
Participation is so badly under utilized in the arts.  Everybody used to create stuff just a couple of generations ago.  You didn&#039;t have to be expert or technically schooled to be able to play an instrument or sing along.  Now, it seems that we have to be &quot;good&quot; to be allowed to play.
There is so much that&#039;s possible with performance art.  I&#039;ve seen too many audiences confused and alienated by &quot;interactive&quot; pieces (mine included).  Thanks for the suggestions regarding including audience.
Maybe when audiences come prepared with information and are given some expectations ahead of time, the risky business can be diminished and people can be freed up to participate fully.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to both of you for your thoughtful comments. I had considered removing my post because I really do love performance art.   I&#8217;m glad I didn&#8217;t,  though, because you&#8217;ve really given me something to think about.<br />
Participation is so badly under utilized in the arts.  Everybody used to create stuff just a couple of generations ago.  You didn&#8217;t have to be expert or technically schooled to be able to play an instrument or sing along.  Now, it seems that we have to be &#8220;good&#8221; to be allowed to play.<br />
There is so much that&#8217;s possible with performance art.  I&#8217;ve seen too many audiences confused and alienated by &#8220;interactive&#8221; pieces (mine included).  Thanks for the suggestions regarding including audience.<br />
Maybe when audiences come prepared with information and are given some expectations ahead of time, the risky business can be diminished and people can be freed up to participate fully.</p>
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		<title>By: Teal</title>
		<link>http://shagdora.wordpress.com/2007/03/05/i-dont-like-performance-art-anymore-and-its-all-my-fault/#comment-23</link>
		<dc:creator>Teal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 19:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are tremendous boundary issues with interactivity. As someone who has been an artist&#039;s model for a classroom of people, I am accutely sensitive to different levels of boundaries.

It is ok to look at the model nude. But not to touch. If the model is clothed, between sessions, the model can participate in the artists space. 

And there is a distinctive membrane between those in the class/room, and people from the &quot;outside&quot;. It is extremely uncomfortable to have someone walk in, who has not been psychologically admitted into the agreement space.

If you are performing, there is a kind of tension that creates the joy of the activity. Without that tension, a performance lacks life. The difficulty then, is how does another perform under tension? And if all parties don&#039;t know the context, skills and activities of the performance, how do you anticipate their reactions to keep things safe?

And on the other hand ...

I have led large group rituals, as well as participated in performance based ceremonies. My experience is that, for many activities, direct participation, if in some manner that allows one to engage one&#039;s own sense of meaning, is vastly better than simply watching or having some minute, and essentially unimportant activity to perform.

One way to structure things would be to have the performing group include persons whose responsibility is to focus on the &quot;unpractised&quot; participants. Acknowledging the requirements of the situation in a concrete way, might allow for a method to be achieved that makes such interactivity possible.

Another course, is to create that smaller group boundary, and allow for trust to be developed. In one sense, I think this is what street performers do, as they identify who in the audience is responding to their performance, and then, especially if a performance takes place over a somewhat longer period, gradually shape their performance to include the elements afforded by responsive viewers.

But more typically, you see this at conferences, classes and workshops, where people are brought into the group identity, and some time is spent establishing the group&#039;s mores.

A very inspiring topic.
(I stumbled upon your blog through a search for Information Architecture, which led to your husband&#039;s blog. I truly enjoy the what and how of your writing that I have seen here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are tremendous boundary issues with interactivity. As someone who has been an artist&#8217;s model for a classroom of people, I am accutely sensitive to different levels of boundaries.</p>
<p>It is ok to look at the model nude. But not to touch. If the model is clothed, between sessions, the model can participate in the artists space. </p>
<p>And there is a distinctive membrane between those in the class/room, and people from the &#8220;outside&#8221;. It is extremely uncomfortable to have someone walk in, who has not been psychologically admitted into the agreement space.</p>
<p>If you are performing, there is a kind of tension that creates the joy of the activity. Without that tension, a performance lacks life. The difficulty then, is how does another perform under tension? And if all parties don&#8217;t know the context, skills and activities of the performance, how do you anticipate their reactions to keep things safe?</p>
<p>And on the other hand &#8230;</p>
<p>I have led large group rituals, as well as participated in performance based ceremonies. My experience is that, for many activities, direct participation, if in some manner that allows one to engage one&#8217;s own sense of meaning, is vastly better than simply watching or having some minute, and essentially unimportant activity to perform.</p>
<p>One way to structure things would be to have the performing group include persons whose responsibility is to focus on the &#8220;unpractised&#8221; participants. Acknowledging the requirements of the situation in a concrete way, might allow for a method to be achieved that makes such interactivity possible.</p>
<p>Another course, is to create that smaller group boundary, and allow for trust to be developed. In one sense, I think this is what street performers do, as they identify who in the audience is responding to their performance, and then, especially if a performance takes place over a somewhat longer period, gradually shape their performance to include the elements afforded by responsive viewers.</p>
<p>But more typically, you see this at conferences, classes and workshops, where people are brought into the group identity, and some time is spent establishing the group&#8217;s mores.</p>
<p>A very inspiring topic.<br />
(I stumbled upon your blog through a search for Information Architecture, which led to your husband&#8217;s blog. I truly enjoy the what and how of your writing that I have seen here.)</p>
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		<title>By: Becky Flowers</title>
		<link>http://shagdora.wordpress.com/2007/03/05/i-dont-like-performance-art-anymore-and-its-all-my-fault/#comment-13</link>
		<dc:creator>Becky Flowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still love performance art!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still love performance art!</p>
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